Hazurewaku no "Joutai Ijou Skill" de Saikyou ni Natta Ore ga Subete wo Juurin suru made Episode 8 Discussion

@groudonvert Dunno why you keep trying to somehow explain those characters as if they weren't one dimensional and there is some depth behind them. You just described the most generic villains possible and you are trying to present it as something novel, which is funny.
It is pretty obvious that we have already seen everything this show has to offer and it's shit.

@zcv45 the harassment isn't that extreme. They're not harassing every individual all the time. So it just doesn't apply.

@zcv45
If the general citizens live their life normally or even have better quality of life thanks to a corrupt leader, they don't care if the noble is corrupt, has bad tendancies, kill his opponents or whatever. Rebelling against the power in place could also mean lose their quality of life.

@Piromysl
After 3 years or so of slave-master collaboration (if you can call this like that), the Duke knows pretty well Eve.
With so much money she contributes to make him win, it's not hard to imagine, he could give her some leeway. It's not like she would flee with a very young girl in her toes.

Oh no, Vicius is not evil just for the sake of being evil. She's the center of why this world is so trash and the reason so many people with powers are trash. But Vicius' main interesting aspect is : why, as a goddess, does she need to summon Heroes from another world to fight the Demon King ? She's a Goddess, shouldn't she be able to kill him on her own ? Because she needs the Heroes to take his essents ? Doesn't look like it, since she told them only his heart is necessary. This single aspect explains a lot of her behavior and actions.
There are many aspects of her that I could add, but it would be spoiler territory.

Concerning Gartland, he's a man bored by being the strongest, wishing to find someone able to kill him so he can have a good fight. He's also honorable and promise Seras to let her go if she's able to beat him (while she's supposed to be a wanted target).


And no, I won't say drop it. I will say buy the Light Novel to continue the story where it will end in this season (should be end of volume 4). Volume 5 is where the story, the worldbuilding and the characters writing really start to shine. And I should add, I was like you and completely underestimated how good the author is in writing characters (especially minor characters).

@groudonvert Are they though? Cult members are free to harass a female citizen just because their boss is in cahoots with the guy running the city. The governor is free to break contractual agreements. And so on.
The point is that they live in a prosperous society DESPITE all this which should NOT be the case. Read my first post which addresses this. The economy and trade is reliant on trust and honesty. There will always be a degree of abuse, but there is a tipping point.
Corruption destroys a organization and is why there is rarely a successful country that is this corrupt. Economic developmental index heavily correlates with corruption and income inequality. This show can't somehow portray society as functional and then have literally every scene be de facto anarchy at all levels of society.

@groudonvert If the Duke trusts Eve not to betray and make him money, he could oh I don't know... keep his end of the bargain? Exactly what does he gain from killing off Eve? Oh right, let Eve find out so she betrays lol. And after abusing the dark elf for so long, he really expects Eve to just not betray at some point?
The only reason what the Duke did isn't as stupid as it could be is because Eve is even more stupid for trusting that guy. Doesn't take a genius to notice no bloodsport participant ever survives to freedom or notice signs of abuse on the dark elf. And in a society where apparently evidence and rule of law doesn't matter; she might as well just make a break for it after freeing the dark elf. But y'know a dumb villain and a dumber victim. So the average IQ MC can do something about it.

"Vicius is not evil just for the sake of being evil. She's the center of why this world is so trash and the reason so many people with powers are trash."
Ah ok, so she's evil just to be evil. You didn't explain why she's evil. Only confirmed that she's not just evil but incompetent too. Thanks for confirming my complaints in the other comment chain. A dysfunctional society that apparently still works fine because the author willed it so. Also "why she needs the heroes" is irrelevant when the character itself is bad. A bad character will make the plot that revolves around her bad. But even so, the anime haven't explored any of the questions you raised.

Honestly, just like Vicius, Gartland is forgettable. Couldn't remember the names until you all described what they did. The only villain that didn't die after one episode is Vicius. Gartland is as forgettable as the tavern lady. Comes up one minute, dies the next. And if you honestly think "arrogant but honorable strongest hero" is multi-dimensional... then you need to watch more anime. The fact he can be described in one sentence says enough. Not to mention this archetype is a dime a dozen.
This anime is like junk food. Absolute trash but can be entertaining if you got nothing better to watch.

Is there any meaning to piggymaru turning Red after meeting Lis?

@Darkzepheran
Happy to meet her.
I guess XD

Why is everyone 100% pure hearted or comically evil, nothing in between, lol

@dziablo
What is evel or 100% pure hearted about Civit Gartland ?

@groudonvert Are they though? Cult members are free to harass a female citizen just because their boss is in cahoots with the guy running the city. The governor is free to break contractual agreements. And so on.
The point is that they live in a prosperous society DESPITE all this which should NOT be the case. Read my first post which addresses this. The economy and trade is reliant on trust and honesty. There will always be a degree of abuse, but there is a tipping point.
Corruption destroys a organization and is why there is rarely a successful country that is this corrupt. Economic developmental index heavily correlates with corruption and income inequality. This show can't somehow portray society as functional and then have literally every scene be de facto anarchy at all levels of society.

@groudonvert I needed to check who is that, this is forgettable anime :) He appeared for a moment, but If I remember correctly, he was willing to let go a person that he believed was a powerful evil guy just so he could get stronger and fight him later. So, unless I remember that wrong, all he did in the show was evil.

I mean sure, I exaggerated, there is some nuance in some places, even MC isn't 100% good, he is on quest for revenge and is willing to kill bad guys. Except that he is 100% good, which makes his talk like he abandoned his humanity and is going to hell ridiculous.

Also, those two sisters from original world could be most neutral, I guess? There was little of them in show, but so far I'd say they were good, but very passive and unemotional. I wouldn't be surprised if they would do evil stuff if it benefitted them.

It's just most characters are extremes of evil or good.

@groudonvert
Can you give me some examples of backstabbing and manipulating (of Seras in particular)?

@dziablo
Backstabbing ? Civit Gartland. No need to developp.

Manipulaton ? He manipulated Seras in a way that she accepts becoming her guard.
He also manipulated her to think he was not aware of what she did in episode 12 so she doesn't feel bad about it.
He manipulated Eve in a way that she had no other options than flee.

And it's only a few examples from season 1, I can go further than that (in spoilers) :

@zcv45 There is not a single developed country that isn't corrupt to the point of even making the worst one sided vilain seem like shakespear level of writing; but i guess the collapse will happen in 2 more week so you are right.

@Nasa290704
The issue isn't that it's "fruitless to rebel" because some guy is 100x stronger. Your society literally cannot function if people cannot trust you to keep your end of the bargain/contract. It is simple as that.
If I farm and cook food for you but you kill me. vs I farm and cook for myself only and you kill me. What is the difference? There is none. And my post was admittedly long winded precisely to address that point.
If family and friends are just harassed on a daily basis, then there is no reason to obey the government. There isn't a option between life or death. It's die now or die after being their play thing. For people to listen, you need to offer them something in return. And there has been not a single scenario where this has been the case. Even the darn tavern lady is a scum. Not just people with power.

Besides that, what is the world's strongest guy going to do if no one is around to raise cattle, farm, and chop trees? Even the most despotic government tries to maintain law and order. That's part of a unspoken agreement between the governor and the governed. It's not like the real life dictators don't have a potent military that can quite literally genocide their population if they so desired. They can on paper but won't. The soldiers are ALSO his citizens and have family in that society. Even if that soldier is deranged and would love to massacre and pillage people, he don't want that to happen to HIS family. As such it is in HIS interest to NOT support such activities. Meaning NOT obeying whatever the dictator or in this case, the nobility says.