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| It's a pretty good adaptation, I smiled throughout the whole epsisode because seeing Takezou and Chika come alive is something I've wanted to see for a long time. I can't stress enough how good the Manga is, I'd even suggest reading each week's equivalent of chapters just so that you can experience this masterpiece at its best |
FireFistYKApr 7, 2019 6:18 AM
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| Nice first episode. I hope for something at least as good as the Kabuki club anime. Seems more interesting to me than that stuff like Chihayafuru or other "cute girls" club anime where not interesting stuff happens. (Still they get easily higher scores just because guys like to *** to the girls.) Or KyoAni boys club anime where they just get a good score cause it is KyoAni. (But boring.) Here a lot of stuff happened. Didn't expect that much background story already in episode 1. Maybe it was a bit toooo much. But then again: They need to catch the attention of the viewers. And might get more "normal" later. What a coincidence with the grandfather and the principal of the school. Already suspected that when school principal mentioned a friend of him started the club. (Must be a very old school.) Feels a bit "forced" but I'm not against it. I mean it serves the purpose: Delivering an interesting setup. (We might have the delinquent guy getting some talks with the principal about his grandfather later every now and then.) Really looking forward to the next episode and the other chars. (And the girl.) So far the 2 main guys seem interesting enough in their interactions with each other - because of the different personalities. (But both loving the instrument - for different reasons.) Middle school friend guy from the delinquent guy also seems interesting. He made the other 3 confess (and I guess he seems like the diplomatic/blackmailer guy that didn't use physical violence to persuade them). Edit: The one scene where the guy with glasses overheard his parents talking about him (failing school entry test) was a bit weird. Should have been in the past but in that scene he somehow looked a bit older than now from art/design. :D |
LuthandoriusApr 7, 2019 4:20 AM
| Kudou is so cool, strong and cute when he blushes that I think I already have a favorite. It's a pity he has to be misunderstood like that. I guess it isn't easy to get rid of the stigma of having been a delinquent. But it hurt, why would he even try to stand up for himself when people had already condemned him? So I was really glad when Takezou showed up in the principal's office to stand for him. Takezou was really annoying at first though. He clearly needed help and he was all alone. But like everyone else, instead of even trying to get to know Kudou he just judged him and turned him away as if he were a plague even though he did nothing but help him since he appeared. Yeah, violence isn't the answer, but what was he supposed to do? Let those delinquents trample all over the Koto Club and bully its president? Fortunately Kudou has a good friend, who opened Takezou's eyes and made him see beyond his preconceptions, and who also helped to clear the unfair accusation against Kudou by getting the true culprits. I'm think I'm going to like this one! |
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| It was just as I expected apart from some darker parts at the beginning, But it makes it even more interesting. Nice to see the delinquent boy as a protag, dynamics with megane boy should be fun. |
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| Interesting first episode. This show seems interesting and I'm loving it so far. Though I feel bad for Chika for being misunderstood all the time. |
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| I fucking despise this extremely watered-down Funi subs. It's really distracting and ruined everything. I'm gonna have to watch it raw from now on. |
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| I'm kind of mixed on it so far. It's got great characters and all the emotional moments land more-or-less like they're supposed to. This is kind of a minor gripe, thinking about it, but I was hoping to see them actually playing a koto in the first episode and hear what it sounds like, but every time we see a character playing in this episode, the sound is swapped for something else. Maybe I just had the wrong expectations, but I hope they fix that in the next one |
| Fuck, I didn't expect a feelstrain right off the bat. This was a strong start, now I just hope they don't mess it up. |
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| An ok-ish start. I wonder if this going to be generic recruit, training, national thing. I want something different, not just instrument. "I". That graduated senpai doing a 19 degree head tilt. |
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| This episode can be summed up in two words. CONTRIVED WRITING. The author wants to go from point A to point C without going thru point B first. There's a lot of details missing that would make any sense to this story. For instance. The whole framing on Kudou is so idiotic. The police catches him based on a testimony from a witness. A sole witness is not enough to charge a suspect and "find him guilty" for a minor crime, there has to be a whole investigation process in order to reach a verdict. As the owner and victim of the worshop vandalization, Kudou's grandfather should had been informed on the lousy police work and their asspull of capturing his grandson and finding him guilty, even if he's in bed in a hospital. In that moment he would have vouched for Kudou to clean his name or at the very least enough reasonable doubt to extend further the police investigation. Now moving to Kudou's grandfather, his death is out of pure convenience for the writer by just doing the ol' tell don't show, he just collapsed that very night and died a few days later without any more reasoning, wich also clashes with the grandpa's condition thru all of his Koto education process on Kudou and even on his short scene on the hospital where he yells at Kudou with the phrase "don't underestimate". The author just makes an old guy who was pretty healthy a few days before and hand waves it to "he just died out of the blue", deal with it. Kudou's re-phraming works on the same principle of idiotic characters that don't use their brain in order to reach to verdict. The teachers who find Kudou immediately pin the blame on him just because he's the only person in the crime scene and Takezo lies on the ground with bruises and the whole Koto-bu room is all trashed. But there is no evidence on Kudou or his clothes that he actually beat Takezo and trashed the room, no bruises on his knuckles or at the very least an untidy uniform on him that would tell that he actually had an extenuating session beating another guy. Now moving on to the teachers and the school grounds. That whole wing or even building where the Koto-bu resides is a completely abandoned zone. Whose bright idea was to leave a club with one guy totally unsupervised? for all we know Takezo or any other kid there could be dealing with drugs, firearms or other felonies and no one in the school grounds would know. The principal claims that he also wants the Koto-bu to stay a float, but he doesn't know jack about what goes in that building, he's not informed of school property being vandalized (the Koto-bu sign being sprayed or the club being mistreated and left with garbage all around by thugs. There's not a single adult or teacher in charge to inform the principal about that very building. But when Takezo is beaten up the two teachers pinning the blame on Kudou, they just "magically" appeared. Where were they all this time the Koto-bu was trashed by the 3 thugs days or even a week before? Early on in the episode, where Takezo tries to take on the 3 thugs, he's beaten in a one on one fight, in wich Kudou jumps in to deal with all 3 at the same time. But after that the scrawny Takezo is able to kick out Kudou on his own, the guy who beat 3 guys at the same time. How the hell is that posible? Lastly, Kudou's friend beats up the three thugs and makes them confess in the laziest mode of yet again "tell don't show". Will the school faculty buy their forced confession? how would they face the parents of the three guys? "hey we're delivering your kids with bruises because they were naughty and were punished by another kid, but we don't bother on opening an investigation on our own", so have a good day. The plot contrivances aren't the only problem. The constant shift from a serious tone to just random SD comedy is totally jarring. It's almost impossible for me to buy their sob story when they shift to comedy and then go back to bad drama in a matter of seconds. This is a big "no thanks" from me and just move on to watch something less contrived. |
KimurahApr 7, 2019 12:12 PM
| Although I feel like the animation could be better, it was a really good start! This is one of the shows I've been looking forward to the most this season because of how similar it seemed to Chihayafuru, and the first episode didn't let me down. Its not as similar to Chihayafuru as I was expecting but that's a good thing; now I'll be able to love it as its own thing. It was a lot funnier than I was expecting too and that's a plus for someone like me who loves comedy. I'm glad its gonna be two split cours as well, and I hope it can be as good as the manga as I don't have time to read it but I really want to love this series. Also, Chika is definitely my best boy of the season. |
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Kimurah said: This episode can be summed up in two words. CONTRIVED WRITING. The author wants to go from point A to point C without going thru point B first. There's a lot of details missing that would make any sense to this story. For instance. The whole framing on Kudou is so idiotic. The police catches him based on a testimony from a witness. A sole witness is not enough to charge a suspect and "find him guilty" for a minor crime, there has to be a whole investigation process in order to reach a verdict. As the owner and victim of the worshop vandalization, Kudou's grandfather should had been informed on the lousy police work and their asspull of capturing his grandson and finding him guilty, even if he's in bed in a hospital. In that moment he would have vouched for Kudou to clean his name or at the very least enough reasonable doubt to extend further the police investigation. Now moving to Kudou's grandfather, his death is out of pure convenience for the writer by just doing the ol' tell don't show, he just collapsed that very night and died a few days later without any more reasoning, wich also clashes with the grandpa's condition thru all of his Koto education process on Kudou and even on his short scene on the hospital where he yells at Kudou with the phrase "don't underestimate". The author just makes an old guy who was pretty healthy a few days before and hand waves it to "he just died out of the blue", deal with it. Kudou's re-phraming works on the same principle of idiotic characters that don't use their brain in order to reach to verdict. The teachers who find Kudou immediately pin the blame on him just because he's the only person in the crime scene and Takezo lies on the ground with bruises and the whole Koto-bu room is all trashed. But there is no evidence on Kudou or his clothes that he actually beat Takezo and trashed the room, no bruises on his knuckles or at the very least an untidy uniform on him that would tell that he actually had an extenuating session beating another guy. Now moving on to the teachers and the school grounds. That whole wing or even building where the Koto-bu resides is a completely abandoned zone. Whose bright idea was to leave a club with one guy totally unsupervised? for all we know Takezo or any other kid there could be dealing with drugs, firearms or other felonies and no one in the school grounds would know. The principal claims that he also wants the Koto-bu to stay a float, but he doesn't know jack about what goes in that building, he's not informed of school property being vandalized (the Koto-bu sign being sprayed or the club being mistreated and left with garbage all around by thugs. There's not a single adult or teacher in charge to inform the principal about that very building. But when Takezo is beaten up the two teachers pinning the blame on Kudou, they just "magically" appeared. Where were they all this time the Koto-bu was trashed by the 3 thugs days or even a week before? Early on in the episode, whe Takezo tries to take on the 3 thugs, he's beaten in a one on one fight, in wich Kudou jumps in to deal with all 3 at the same time. But after that the scrawny Takezo is able to kick out Kudou on his own, the guy who beat 3 guys at the same time. How the hell is that posible? Lastly, Kudou's friend beats up the three thugs and makes them confess in the laziest mode of yet again "tell don't show". Will the school faculty buy their forced confession? how would they face the parents of the three guys? "hey we're delivering your kids with bruises because they were naughty and were punished by another kid, but we don't bother on opening an investigation on our own", so have a good day. The plot contrivances aren't the only problem. The constant shift from a serious tone to just random SD comedy is totally jarring. It's almost impossible for me to buy their sob story when they shift to comedy and then go back to bad drama in a matter of seconds. This is a big "no thanks" from me and just move on to watch something less contrived. Thank you for the post, couldn't say it better. Every drama in this episode seems forced and unrealistic, not a good start. |
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| This was quite bad. While I also share a lot of @Kimurah's long rant about inconsistences and contrivances, my main problem is not in the lack of logic of the events but on the blatant disrespect I sense from this episode to the heavy topics it deals with. Chika's relationship with his grandfather feels almost parodic with how over-the-top any instance of his flashbacks are, either the bonding moments or the big drama. But my biggest issue is with the school elements. I get that Chika has enemies that wil go very far to screw him up. I understand that Takezou's classmates pick on him and bully him. Okay. Now please tell me why does it have to go this far. Why do the bullies have to heavy hit Takezou with a bat only to set a trap for Chika. Why are people not just mean, but plain evil and sadistic for no reason or motivation, doing things that go beyond the scope of what students can do and instead make them look like criminals with one or two screws loose. Why are the adults, particularly the guy who keeps accusing Chika, so lacking in any sort of diplomatic skills to deal with an obviously heavy issue. Bullying is not the kind of topic that deserves this treatment, and it bugs me not because it's bad, but because it's terrible in the way it corresponds to a very real and resonating problem. By trying to oversaturate the issue for the cheap shock effect I feel it's mocking it, ripping it from its seriousness and turning it into an excuse for pure dramatic exploit. I really hope this show tones down the attempts at a melodrama it obviously can't handle and tries to aim lower, safer and become a more endearing watch. Because so far, it has screwed up big time in trying to do the contrary. |
| Writing is awfully lazy, buchou is a spineless bitch and looking at the promo art, it's going to be a sausage fest despite flashback showing a full female club (which you kind of expect from a koto club). Unless the two girls form the character list can carry this show, I don't see it going anywhere. Especially with all these cringey shoujo undertones. |
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| Such a cute first episode! I really like the chemistry between Chika and Takezou; their love/hate relationship is so cute. I thought it was very emotional too; i felt so frustrated for Chika but i was so happy that Takezou stood by him |
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| This show has crazy convenient writing and it switches genres on the fly which is very distracting. Am i supposed to be sad or laughing from the comedy? I give this 2 more episodes but i doubt anything will change for the better. could have been a good show without all the bullshit going on. |
| Read this manga long time ago.. Promising anime. And the Opening is masterpiece. Can't wait for the sound Koto. |
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| I enjoyed this one very much. I hope that other characters will join soon, maybe not all in one episode but in first 4 episodes of season. |
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| Hmm the contrast between those two scenes sure was interesting. Man children can be so childish defacing club signs like that. Still it did provide a great opportunity for Chika to shine though. Looks like Takezou isn't held in high regard by his family. Conversely seems Chika is similar with his relationship with his as well. Though unlike Takezou's at least Chika's tried to mend the relationship. Though its too bad that the delinquents ruined it by smashing the shop and causing Chika's gran's death. Though the bullies plan was a crafty one bet they never expected Takezou to speak up to defend Chika though. A strong first ep that did well to introduce Takezou and Chika and the bond that has been formed here. While their personalities are like fire and water i felt these served to enhance their interactions. |
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ziad1419 said: Kerozinn said: This show has crazy convenient writing and it switches genres on the fly which is very distracting. Am i supposed to be sad or laughing from the comedy? I give this 2 more episodes but i doubt anything will change for the better. could have been a good show without all the bullshit going on. The bigin is genrec But after compelete cast The story become much better i hope you are right |
| Man, where to begin... The poor animation is to be expected since Platinum Vision is a pretty new studio but it's very distracting when many scenes are shot in a way to cut corners in animation. And considering this is only the first episode, I'm not hopeful about the rest of the series. While the animation is a shame, what's actually a disappointment is that the source material was praised so much (people saying it was kind of like Chihayafuru) and this is the episode we open up with. Needless to say, this episode's forced writing has now dropped all of my expectations. Other people have gone into detail to why the writing feels contrived and demeaning. And I share a lot of the same sentiments. But I am also bothered by all these flashbacks and developments taking place before we even settle in with the characters. It feels very rushed because we got the payoff before investing the time to make this payoff feel remotely deserved. Hopefully the writing gets less amateurish along the way but this episode definitely did not give me good first impressions. |
| heard there will be girls coming. IS the romance going to be big in the series? Seems like they are trying to do a lot of things. Well I feel bad for Chika, I am glad his grandpa didn't pass away without speaking to him |
Digitalexile said: jal90 said: Now please tell me why does it have to go this far. Why do the bullies have to heavy hit Takezou with a bat only to set a trap for Chika. Why are people not just mean, but plain evil and sadistic for no reason or motivation, doing things that go beyond the scope of what students can do and instead make them look like criminals with one or two screws loose. Why are the adults, particularly the guy who keeps accusing Chika, so lacking in any sort of diplomatic skills to deal with an obviously heavy issue. Go read up on Japan's "ijime" culture, that will explain all your questions why bullies are "so mean", "going too far". Trust me, you will find much more instances narrating how "they beyond the scope of what students can do and instead make them look like criminals with one or two screws loose without any specific reason", or how some some adults ignore such problems. There is a manga called 17-sai which highlights the problem based on a real life incident, maybe you should try reading more articles and stuff on such a subject since you are clearly unfamiliar with it. I know enough about bullying to know that people don't go around hitting others with a bat in the head, which could have killed the victim, just to make a scene and set a trap for another guy. Perhaps because there is a difference between bullying, heavy as it may be, and bordering murder attempt. I know very well how some adults choose to ignore these problems thanks, this show didn't try this, they weren't ignoring shit, they were accusing and cornering another student with zero evidence for it, all while going the "if you don't say anything it means you are guilty" overdone shit. So no, don't go lecture me about this, and much less try to appear superior just because you know a couple tragic cases in Japan (and do you think Japan is the only place where this extreme can happen?). 17-sai is based on a case of extreme bullying that became a serious crime, it became notorious because of that, that is different from the kind of shit this show tries to make me swallow as regular scheming regular high school bullies do. Mod Edit: Removed insults |
LoveLikeBloodApr 8, 2019 2:20 AM
| Nice first episode. There was a lot going on, so I think the next episodes will be interesting as well. Chika is a great character, you can tell that he is very nice despite his bad boy attitude haha. Oh and I can't wait for the koto club to make some music together! :) |
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Digitalexile said: jal90 said: Lol calm down you shithead, I know enough about bullying, perhaps more than you, to know that people don't go around hitting others with a bat in the head, which could have killed the victim, just to make a scene and set a trap for another guy. Perhaps because there is a difference between bullying, heavy as it may be, and bordering murder attempt. I know very well how some adults choose to ignore these problems thanks, this show didn't try this, they weren't ignoring shit, they were accusing and cornering another student with zero evidence for it, all while going the "if you don't say anything it means you are guilty" overdone shit. So no, don't go lecture me about this, and much less try to appear superior just because you know a couple tragic cases in Japan. 17-sai is based on a case of extreme bullying that became murder, it became notorious because of that, that is different from the kind of shit this show tries to make me swallow as regular scheming regular high school bullies do. >starts off with an insult Thank you, reported. >much less try to appear superior just because you know a couple tragic cases in Japan "Couple of tragic cases", thank you again, that tells me about how you are ignorant about it, yet again, sadly. Here is a short article about the whole topic, but given how you are ignorant about the whole subject, doubt thousands of article I would provide would be helpful. Anyway you lost all your credibility when you started with an insult, please don't quote me, thanks. ~ "Ignorant about it" do you think Japan is the only place where this shit can happen? Do you think this shit happening invalidates my complaint, which is that this is treated not as an extreme but as a regular and tame case of bully scheming? I know that bullying in Japan is particularly bad and fucked up because there are not enough resources to fight against it, still doesn't make HITTING A CLASSMATE WITH A BAT IN THE HEAD JUST TO SCHEME AGAINST ANOTHER CLASSMATE normal, it is top tier fucked up and this show tried to sell it as something almost anecdotal just like another regular act bullies do because they are bullies. And my apologies for the insult but I'm not going to accept your condescending tones in something I have known and experienced enough. Not interested in having my credibility judged by someone like you. Digitalexile said: >do you think Japan is the only place where this extreme can happen? I am amazed yet again, perhaps I shouldn't really have quoted anyone who isn't familiar with the whole "ijime" culture(probably an alien concept here in MAL), where this "extreme" things being common is a huge social issue. I should probably emphasize on how hitting somebody with a bat in the head is BORDERING MURDER ATTEMPT since you want so hard to sell me that bullies in Japan are heavy stuff, like I ever denied that. Try reading again what I post instead of lecturing me on stuff I know and bringing another case that made the news. |
jal90Apr 7, 2019 2:35 PM
Digitalexile said: Lunallae said: But I am also bothered by all these flashbacks and developments taking place before we even settle in with the characters. It feels very rushed because we got the payoff before investing the time to make this payoff feel remotely deserved. Hopefully the writing gets less amateurish along the way but this episode definitely did not give me good first impressions. That's not called payoff, can't believe people don't know the actual meaning of payoff. Payoff in this context is related to how the backstories get integrated along with the catharsis of the performances, which the series will do later. This is just showing a part of the backstories, even Takezou's character and his confidence problems get highlighted later on. There is payoff. There is an attempt at emotional catharsis when Chika and Takezou shake off their misconceptions about the other so that they finally see each others' love for koto. Sure, there will be more payoff later and that's probably why there are flashbacks in this episode, but this episode already had some form of very hasty payoff that I feel is undeserved given the shallow writing that preceded it. I'm not saying that Takezou's character won't get highlighted; I can already see he'll get a lot of development (characters that start off near rock bottom always climb up). I'm saying that Chika and Takezou don't have enough characterization at this point for the audience to even care for all this early stage drama. There's a reason why most club oriented anime ease into their stories - a reason that Kono Oto Tomare seems to be neglecting completely. Digitalexile said: This is a much better series than Chihayafuru, too bad that the art and animation, along with the slightly rushed presentation won't be favourable for anime-onlies. I don't see why you feel the need to disparage one anime in order to make another look better. Whether it's better or worse than Chihayafuru is irrelevant. The only reason I brought Chihayafuru up in my post is because I liked Chihayafuru and therefore, felt I would like Kono Oto Tomare as well. I have thus been disappointed. |
Digitalexile said: jal90 said: "Ignorant about it" do you think Japan is the only place like this where this shit can happen? >I know that bullying in Japan is particularly bad and fucked up because there are not enough resources to fight against it, show tried to sell it as something almost anecdotal just like another regular act bullies do because they are bullies. Because it is indeed a common social issue today, there. The problem here is that the show is about a light hearted topic like koto, which seems odd like a dark subject casually placed here, but nowhere it invalidates impossibility of such a subject. I have read worse cases of "casual" bullying(there are some examples in that article but it only shows a very minor part of it) and I know few people who are actually familiar with the subject in Japan, so yeah this is not unusual for me, unlike you. The thing is, related to bullying, what's uncommon for westerns isn't really the same in Japan. Harsh reality, but one has to accept it. Okay, thanks for changing the tone in the answer. Much better this way. I'll do better research, promised, in how common the sort of extreme this episode showed is. Again I am not denying that heavy bullying exists and is common, particularly knowing how bad the Japanese educational system does in trying to avoid or solve these problems before they escalate to something greater, but the bat scene is really something else. It is an extreme, and the kind of extreme that could very easily make the news because it was this close to actually kill the victim. |
jal90Apr 7, 2019 2:45 PM
Digitalexile said: jal90 said: Okay, thanks for changing the tone in the answer. Much better this way. I'll do better research, promised, in how common the sort of extreme this episode showed is. Again I am not denying that heavy bullying exists and is common, particularly knowing how bad the Japanese educational system does in trying to avoid or solve these problems before they escalate to something greater, but the bat scene is really something else. It is an extreme, and the kind of extreme that could very easily make the news. >It is an extreme, and the kind of extreme that could very easily make the news. It only makes the news only when there are suicide cases, or actual cases of death. This is another good article about it, most relevant part is "Bullying in Japan". Honestly it makes me feel sad when so many MAL reviews try to underplay the vicious cycle of bullying present there. Seen that about Koe no katachi, 3 gatsu, and will again probably see some reviews about how such bullying is "unrealistic" for this show. No, no, I'm not saying that the bullying is unrealistic in this show, like of course it can happen, a bunch of kids heavy beating another for whatever petty reason (like that's how I define "realistic": it can happen in reality). If anything I'm complaining about the surrounding circumstances and how tame and casual it tries to make it look for something that could very well have killed Takezou. The one that makes it look like it's nothing is the show itself, and that is the problem I have with it. 3-gatsu's bullying arc was fantastic and quite a gold standard in the way it deals with the topic. I don't think this episode has come even close to its level of nuance, like it doesn't even try to be nuanced and complex anyway, regardless of how realistic or common something like that is. |
jal90Apr 7, 2019 3:00 PM
Digitalexile said: jal90 said: No, no, I'm not saying that the bullying is unrealistic in this show, like of course it can happen, a bunch of kids heavy beating another for whatever petty reason. If anything I'm complaining about the surrounding circumstances and how tame and casual it tries to make it look for something that could very well have killed Takezou. 3-gatsu's bullying arc was fantastic and quite a gold standard in the way it deals with the topic. I don't think this episode has come close to its level of nuance, regardless of how realistic or common something like that is. I already said that, the manga's main strength is how it focuses on teamwork and atmosphere for koto performances with lighhearted tone(along with backstory/development of other characters), so yes such a dark incident may seem like an odd event here(this is also because of anime's presentation, which is more casual compared to the manga). However, by no means "it's terrible in the way it corresponds to a very real and resonating problem", since that's actually a very real problem there. Talking about the show's stance here and how it presents it, though. Not about how common it is of a problem. It's one thing that the Japanese society doesn't find it alarming enough, another one is that this show, apparently, doesn't either. And that was really my point. It's not in the event, it's in the tone and the framing of the event. It is in the interpretation of the event the show seems to make. So my apologies for the confusion and for the tone but I didn't feel that you were actually answering to what I was saying there, and perhaps it's my fault for not expressing myself adequately enough. |
Digitalexile said: Lunallae said: There is payoff. There is an attempt at emotional catharsis when Chika and Takezou shake off their misconceptions about the other so that they finally see each others' love for koto. Sure, there will be more payoff later and that's probably why there are flashbacks in this episode, but this episode already had some form of very hasty payoff that I feel is undeserved given the shallow writing that preceded it. I'm not saying that Takezou's character won't get highlighted; I can already see he'll get a lot of development (characters that start off near rock bottom always climb up). I'm saying that Chika and Takezou don't have enough characterization at this point for the audience to even care for all this early stage drama. There's a reason why most club oriented anime ease into their stories - a reason that Kono Oto Tomare seems to be neglecting completely. I don't see why you feel the need to disparage one anime in order to make another look better. Whether it's better or worse than Chihayafuru is irrelevant. The only reason I brought Chihayafuru up in my post is because I liked Chihayafuru and therefore, felt I would like Kono Oto Tomare as well. I have thus been disappointed. Maybe it's just me, but I have a feeling that you have a specific problem with how it's structured. I have no problems with the setting up of backstory of characters at the start so that they could be properly used later on, but I can see how people may think otherwise. I won't say it's a hasty payoff, but that clearing away their misunderstanding signifies the the establishment of the actual setting of the series. About the Chihayafuru post, that's just my personal opinion, since I have been reading those two manga for years now. In regards to my specific criticisms, yes, it's largely a structuring problem. I feel drama only works once you have begun caring about the characters. At this stage, I had only begun to learn about them. The anime's approach to the drama just doesn't feel organic either. Whether that's a byproduct of the show's lack of characterization or because the circumstances feel contrived is another topic, but that's why I feel like the payoff is undeserved (you are right that hasty might not be the best term but it does also feel rushed). I see. I mean I'm glad to hear that the source material is good, but right now, all I can do give my own perceptions on the anime as it stands. I do hope it picks up. |
| This was actually good. I thought this would be just one of the cute bishounen shows but thankfully it's not the case. Still didn't like several of those cheesy situations but otherwise I liked it. Even the pace was good, this has to be the rare case where the adaptation isn't rushing. The only minor issue I have is that while they try being serious they still put in many over the top situations (like those three would never gave themself up and would be expelled instantly for assaulting their classmates). But the anime definitely peaked my interest, will continue watching this. |
Digitalexile said: jal90 said: Talking about the show's stance here and how it presents it, though. Not about how common it is of a problem. It's one thing that the Japanese society doesn't find it alarming enough, another one is that this show, apparently, doesn't either. And that was really my point. It's not in the event, it's in the tone and the framing of the event. It is in the interpretation of the event the show seems to make. So my apologies for the confusion and for the tone but I didn't feel that you were actually answering to what I was saying there, and perhaps it's my fault for not expressing myself adequately enough. Your original point and first two replies with insult were about how can bullies do this and that as if it's common there(why are bullies so mean and sadistic, how can it go so far etc etc), so this is again a complete different stance on a technical point about the anime rather than about the incident itself, for whatever reason. Okay then. Anyway yes, the "framing" could have been indeed presented better in the anime(this is more of studio's fault I think), to make the tone seem more natural, I can agree with that at least. Writing wise, it's fine as it is. Yeah, that's my fault since I got caught up in that debate and I have to apologize for leading to mistake here, but my overall point was rather in how little the show seemed to care about the overall gravity of the event. That's why I was talking about "cheap shock effect", like all it tried to do with that is create a sudden emotional outburst to strengthen the bonds of Takeyou and Chika and make the former accept the latter in the club. That this thing came out of Takezou being brutally beaten (and in a way that could have killed him) rubs me the wrong way because I consider that the show doesn't take it seriously enough, that it did that just to give the two MC their moment. And that has really nothing to do with how common these acts are. They don't even need to be common to be portrayed in the series. They just need to be acknowledged in their seriousness. That's why I was initially perplexed that you were trying to lecture me on this, and that's why the first posts in this discussion focused on this particular aspect, with you bringing articles and talking about ijime tropes and me not knowing in what part of my post did I exactly say that my problem was in how uncommon these practices were. Like even if they plain stabbed Takezou, as long as the episode showed any sign of acknowledging how serious and life threatening that act is I would of course accept it and find it valid. Being dark is not the problem, it's being dark and not having a proper emotional payoff for that. |
| Good episode overall i enjoyed this anime. |
| So this time a Japanese traditional instrument "Koto" huh... I wonder that kind of threat Takaoka Tetsuki did to those scumbag thugs!? 4/5. |
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| Am i the only one that felt like they tried to cram too much in one episode? It felt rushed AF |
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