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| Wtf, it's a disgrace we are being denied 4 full episodes with new content, we just had to repeat a bunch of stuff with 10 second extra scenes from Gou! Still praying last 3 eps will be better..... |
| I was so worried this was the last episode!! Happy to see there are 15 episodes this season,I can't wait to see more Higurashi |
| Hey this is the same as the last season! |
| Now, count up your sins! |
| I liked part before opening started, and that wow when hanyuu's horn recovered o_O and last part, hanyuu vs eua incoming. |
"A half moon, it has a dark half and a bright half, just like me…", Yuno Gasai |
| Censorship in this anime is weird another amazing ep. cant wait for next week |
| Oof this was so bad... every week I hope the show will finally improve and it just keeps getting worse. I can't comprehend how anyone could sign off on an entire season of recap and filler. Part of me hates the idea of another season, but at the same time, I've no idea how they're gonna wrap this up in 3 episodes. I really hope it won't end up being rushed and sloppy after so many episodes of slow pacing and redundant exposition. |
| that was a bloody mess episode. Rika has its limit get that shaft vibe  |
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| Hanyuu is my favorite character and this episode really disappointed me. She acknowledges her role in Rika's suffering, but hangs Rika out to dry when she needs her the most. Hanyuu has existed for centuries and still has the communication skills of a potato. Laplace_kun said: Also she has the benefit of CCTV to know whatever happens between Rika and Hanyuu. All these convenient cheats she has takes away all sort of her appeal even as a bitchy antagonistic character. Cannot believe I might like Myne from Shield Hero better after this because she's better written. This is easily the most annoying part of this series. Watching Rika and Hanyuu struggle for so many seasons to piece anything at all together, then watching Satoko and Eua spend this season looking at TraumaTube. How will the egregious power imbalance between these characters be handled in 3 more episodes, especially now that Hanyuu has suddenly utilized Plot Magic to repair her horn? Like damn, this series is really demanding that I pretend I fever dreamed the good storytelling that it used to have Lmao for real. The skill Akane has with her sword at L5 is pretty damn good, but Satoko's role in the Gousotsu plot is basically to be a ""better"" Oyashiro than Takano. |
| I liked episode 14 of gou and hated 15 so this was weird. The hanyuu part was interesting at first until I realized they are gonna just recap higurashi kai and play the opening for 7+ minutes. A lot of recap and stuff we've already seen in gou. But the last part with hanyuu and eua was more interesting than everything else in my opinion |
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| Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in the end of Kai, Takano missed that shot didn't she? So is this a retcon or Hanyuu disappeared for another reason that wasn't being shot? |
  Nanachi's wisdom: "Watch the Monogatari Series following the Novel Order." |
VelosBR said: She missed here as well. Hanyuu disappeared for a completely different reason. Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in the end of Kai, Takano missed that shot didn't she? So is this a retcon or Hanyuu disappeared for another reason that wasn't being shot? SkyhighCFC said: ssjokg said: So if we take Hanyuu's story as it is told here then she knew from the very first loop that Takano and Yamainu are the culprits. Lol?Okay.So she is just a bitch. "You never gave up" Wow, did we saw the same Rick-chan Hanyuu?Like, she had already given up until Tsumihoroboshi. Discount recap of Kai's end. Cant say I am surprised. Rika perfectly explaining why the plot of Sotugou is bullshit. And damn we were so close at Satoko getting killed...tch.No wound later on...okay... Bwahahaha, Satoko avoiding a katana like a master....Bruh this director. "There are no better storytellers that you"-Eua Tohya ,Ikuko, Beatrice, Eva and who knows how many Forgers - *triggered*. I wonder if we got even 5 minutes of new content without all those OG and Gou recaps from different angles. And seeing the same uncensored scenes we saw now censored is just silly.Not the fault of the studio but come on. The fact that each new ep is worse than the previous ones and people still call them "awesome", "5/5", "amazing" means that the only explanation is certainly an unknown, Knox prohibited drug. Director-san must really think of the audience as complete morons....which I can understand since so many act as if these are good or needed. I TOLD Y'ALL THAT THE EXCUSES FOR RIKA AND HANYUU DON'T FLY LAST WEEK. Seriously, almost everything I said in last week's episode discussion was proven to be true in this episode. "Wow, did we saw the same Rick-chan Hanyuu?Like, she had already given up until Tsumihoroboshi." - You don't get to determine this on your own. It was never explicitly stated Rika had given up. That was what you assumed. All of this is to say...there were flaws in this story FROM THE BEGINNING. Stop pretending that GOU/SOTSU have ruined all logic in this show as if the OG was perfect to begin with. Rika acknowledged that Keichi, and to am extend the others, taught her that there is hope and miracles happen. That is clearly stated. |
| This remake sequel was a mistake. I can only feel sorry for WTC fans at this point. Also FUCK NO! With only 3 episodes remaining, do not tell me this shitshow is gonna continue for yet another season. Anyways, what else to say? Another awful episode. It literally summarized Eps. 14 and 15 of GOU with the only "good" aspect being that the lame loli torture porn didn't last that long this time. Infamous "intestines" long-ass sequence has yet to happen tho. So... what do we have here? -Satoko never checking or asking herself why the sword was broken/had a missing piece. By the way, don't ask me why said sword didn't shatter into pieces once it struck the floor if it was already that fragile. -Satoko receiving a clear cut on the cheek yet it disappeared in her next scene. -Satoko being a ninja as well as an actress deserving of an Oscar. She dodged Akane's katana as the best of shounen MCs and made a delirious and unpredictable asf Keiichi believe she was dead at Angel Mort. All in the same episode! -Once again, they didn't bother in explaining how Satoko managed to inject Akasaka and the others. How could they tho? So let's just imagine that under all those clothes, they are all as thicc as Mion. -More nonsensical censorship GOU didn't have. -Hanyuu aka "This is farewell, Rika... Lol, just joking xD" -No baby Rika nipaa~. This point particularly hurts me. We at least got some head tilts (Passione ver.) tho. |
ssjokg said: Director-san must really think of the audience as complete morons....which I can understand since so many act as if these are good or needed. This is what happens when you get a director (who fucked up Island's adaptation btw) whose only experience is with romcoms and make him direct what's supposed to be a horror-mystery anime original of a 20-year-old sound novel franchise, of which the creator himself has completely forgotten the original message of his own story. It's literal insanity. At least something like Mayoiga was made bad on purpose only for it to vanish from people's memories once it finished. It feels like Ryukishi is trying to do that, too, but for the memes. Which is baffling because all the memes so far have been making fun of it, I cannot comprehend how any creator would be okay with violating their creation for something so temporary and fleeting as memetic clout. |
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| Ive seen some people talking about how this ep makes Kotohogushi cannon on other sites. It doesnt. Ouka killing Hanyuu was first introduced in Miotsukushi in the PS2 Kakera Asobi game. Not Kotohogushi, which was introduced in Higurashi Kizuna 4 for the DS Kotohogushi is not cannon, because it was put together using written records in the Furude Shrine, and is most likely an exaggerated folk tale than an actual story. ---- Ive also seen people saying that Eua is Ouka. Rika is the reincarnation of Ouka. |
Was it ever not cannon? There was never any indication of it not being cannon. The only time its cannonicty was questioned, was by people who want Rika to turn into Bernkastel by the end of this. |
| I like some Hanyuu backstory. So what happened in Gou it's all makes sense now, it's all Satoko Fault. But the Censorship, Why??? We seen it Uncensored in Gou. WTF is this? |
davidyodo24Sep 10, 2021 5:20 AM
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| Everyone just being mad instead of thinking of theory's of what happen the 2 or 1m+ minutes. When Satoko took out the sword and it broken she thought that since the shard was at the bottom and it's a tiny shird, she thought "Rika without the sword can do nothing, only the sword itself has powers". Yes the shard is part of the sword but she thought that the sword was the only thing that could kill her and a tiny shard couldn't do nothing, it could also be a wirting flaw in there as well. Second, the material of the sword, is simple to explain, there are plenty of swords with thousands of years and in very good condition (the sword doesn't seem to be made of clay) condition. Why the sword wasn't there in watadamashi? The reason could be that you can repair a sword, maybe that happen or maybe it was a flaw it could be both of them. Hanyu recovered her powers by destroying every single fragment she created with rika and absorbed to repair her horn. And by doing that she left rika find where Eua is and to face her in a final battle. This is my theory after watching this episode. |
UltimatMaxSep 10, 2021 5:24 AM
| Shiki is the best anime and unique with his style design, you can't change my mind from it |
SkyhighCFC said: Mizu said: Hanyuu is my favorite character and this episode really disappointed me. She acknowledges her role in Rika's suffering, but hangs Rika out to dry when she needs her the most. Hanyuu has existed for centuries and still has the communication skills of a potato. This is easily the most annoying part of this series. Watching Rika and Hanyuu struggle for so many seasons to piece anything at all together, then watching Satoko and Eua spend this season looking at TraumaTube. How will the egregious power imbalance between these characters be handled in 3 more episodes, especially now that Hanyuu has suddenly utilized Plot Magic to repair her horn? Like damn, this series is really demanding that I pretend I fever dreamed the good storytelling that it used to have Lmao for real. The skill Akane has with her sword at L5 is pretty damn good, but Satoko's role in the Gousotsu plot is basically to be a ""better"" Oyashiro than Takano. - Hanyuu's character was always flawed. How are some of you lot only now just clocking this in GOU/SOTSU? "this series is really demanding that I pretend I fever dreamed the good storytelling that it used to have" - as if the OG story didn't have it's fair share of plot conveniences and inconsistencies to begin with... You're implying that I don't know my favorite character is flawed, which is false. I'm allowed to like this purple haired trainwreck. The storytelling in Kai is superior to Gousotsu and this isn't a hot take by any means. Of course there was plot conveniences and inconsistencies in the OG, but it'd be pretty disingenuous to say that they were on par with the ones presented in Gousotsu. I know this series is flawed and nowhere have I said the OG was without faults lol |
SkyhighCFC said: No, Rika most definitely did give up at one point, but please, don't ask me to find the exact scene where it is stated, I'm not like some people in here who can just summon the exact Deen/VN scenes when asked for.I TOLD Y'ALL THAT THE EXCUSES FOR RIKA AND HANYUU DON'T FLY LAST WEEK. Seriously, almost everything I said in last week's episode discussion was proven to be true in this episode. "Wow, did we saw the same Rick-chan Hanyuu?Like, she had already given up until Tsumihoroboshi." - You don't get to determine this on your own. It was never explicitly stated Rika had given up. That was what you assumed. All of this is to say...there were flaws in this story FROM THE BEGINNING. Stop pretending that GOU/SOTSU have ruined all logic in this show as if the OG was perfect to begin with. Also, I guess this is just me, but personally, I'd wish people didn't take this GouSotsu as something, which by saying thing X, it immediately means it's the truth and retcons the OG story if necessary. I really hate this modern day style of "retconning everything", be it Higurashi or DB Super or whatever... Can't people just stick with the source material. SkyhighCFC said: At this point... I honestly don't even know anymore.. did he? Where does it say he did?Sorry to break it to you chief...but Ryukushi literally wrote the story for GOU/SOTSU. Some day ago I was trying to find some info about who is writing GouSotsu, but every single instance I found, titled R07 only as the "Original Creator". Writing/Script was always either left blank, or had someone else's name on it. |
         Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids. |
| Didnt Ryuukishi write an books worth of stuff for Sotsu? Gotta look it up. If anybody knows, in what VN segement or interview was it revealed that Irie was originally supposed to be the big bad, and he had Satoshis brain in a jar and all that? (a staff room segment) There are many Higu titbits from old forums and messageboards. Like how Higu began as a dating sim. Oni,Wata and Tatari might even have begun as routes. There are many interviews and such for WTC, someone should compile all of the info into one site. Edit @Hulio theres this. "It may sound weird reiterating that I'm in charge of the original story, but as the creator, I'm in charge of supervising the adaptation as well as writing it." So he did supervise and write it. |
ChargecoulombSep 10, 2021 8:34 AM
SkyhighCFC said: ssjokg said: She missed here as well. Hanyuu disappeared for a completely different reason. Rika acknowledged that Keichi, and to am extend the others, taught her that there is hope and miracles happen. That is clearly stated. That isn't the same as "she had already given up though". In the OG anime, (not sure if they may have changed some things from the VN) she seemed a bit too optimistic for someone who would've completely given up...even in the beginning. Eh...you are using her facade of cure little Rika to explain that she didnt give up? She turned into a cynical alcoholic that kept talking about how Fate is so cruel and impossible to beat. In the anime, the first time we see that line of thought breaks is in the anime original end of Tsumihoroboshi. Then she is fully convinced that they can beat fate when Keichi starts showing signs of remembering past fragments and asking for forgiveness.You can add the doll switcheroo if you want as well. |
SkyhighCFC said: ssjokg said: Eh...you are using her facade of cure little Rika to explain that she didnt give up? She turned into a cynical alcoholic that kept talking about how Fate is so cruel and impossible to beat. In the anime, the first time we see that line of thought breaks is in the anime original end of Tsumihoroboshi. Then she is fully convinced that they can beat fate when Keichi starts showing signs of remembering past fragments and asking for forgiveness.You can add the doll switcheroo if you want as well. It wasn't just a facade though. When we were first shown Rika's thoughts and her perspective, she definitely did not give off a vibe of someone who had completely given up. She was a cynical alcoholic yes, but no where was it implied that she'd already given up by this point. Like, what is the point of "Yes now I believe we can do it" stuff if she hadnt given up? |
SkyhighCFC said: That's just semantics now.ssjokg said: Like, what is the point of "Yes now I believe we can do it" stuff if she hadnt given up? Again...this is NOT the same as someone completely giving up. Had she completely given up she wouldn't have bothered to do anything whatsoever. |
Chargecoulomb said: Edit @Hulio theres this. "It may sound weird reiterating that I'm in charge of the original story, but as the creator, I'm in charge of supervising the adaptation as well as writing it." So he did supervise and write it. SkyhighCFC said: Come on guys, you're basically saying the same guy who wrote this, also wrote the remake of the OG Higurashi...- Yes, he is at the very least involved in the writing for GOU/SOTSU. There's an interview on Youtube that came out just after the opening weekend of SOTSU's airing where he speaks about stuff in GOU, and what he thought about how Passione adapted it, and his goals for the story. Since when did we start taking this interviews as the red truth again? I know I've grown somewhat skeptical about this, but is there any official information, aside from "opinion/personal pov" saying that he actually wrote as much as he makes us believe he did? The guy is unreliable narrator incarnate lmao. SkyhighCFC said: If you're going that far, then please do prove your point yourself first. Give us a scene where Rika says she never gave up. And no, Hanyû's opinion on this episode doesn't count, it is her opinion.- You're gonna need to prove it if you're gonna make a claim like this. Considering Ryukushi wrote this, you can't just put it down to simple "retcons" and you also can't say "people should just stick to the source material". It's literally his story lol. Whether or not you like where he took the story is a different matter altogether though. It may be his story yes, but consider this. If there's the "OG" story, and then years later a "Sequel" that contradicts with the OG. Does that mean the OG story is wrong and needs to be changed on the "whims" of it's author, or that the author is as they don't even know what they wrote in the first place. ^ not really pointing that much at Higurashi with this, it's more of a hypothetical question to probe out your opinion. |
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KANLen09 said: You were right and I ended up loving this episode so much. Impressive!The final arc of Higurashi Sotsu that is Kagurashi-hen...this feels a lot different than just being a new arc. This is the nearly full story of Nekodamashi-hen's answer arc based on Hanyuu's POV to protect Rika for as how many loops as she could to rewind her fate from being tormented by the Hundred Year calamity, what an undertaking. Not surprised that Satoko would know of this in the Sea of Fragments with Eua just lazing around and waiting for something to happen. Even Akasaka, Chieftain Kimiyoshi and the others got into the craze of being injected with H173 from Satoko, and Rika just going through the countless loops of getting brutally killed and subjected to Satoko's desire to trap her in 1983 Hinamizawa being the victim of Oyashiro-sama's wreath. It's finally time for both goddesses to face each other and stop this loop of a seizure. Told ya that all of Gou's question arcs will be covered in Sotsu, one way or another. |
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Hulio said: Chargecoulomb said: Edit @Hulio theres this. "It may sound weird reiterating that I'm in charge of the original story, but as the creator, I'm in charge of supervising the adaptation as well as writing it." So he did supervise and write it. SkyhighCFC said: Come on guys, you're basically saying the same guy who wrote this, also wrote the remake of the OG Higurashi...- Yes, he is at the very least involved in the writing for GOU/SOTSU. There's an interview on Youtube that came out just after the opening weekend of SOTSU's airing where he speaks about stuff in GOU, and what he thought about how Passione adapted it, and his goals for the story. Since when did we start taking this interviews as the red truth again? I know I've grown somewhat skeptical about this, but is there any official information, aside from "opinion/personal pov" saying that he actually wrote as much as he makes us believe he did? The guy is unreliable narrator incarnate lmao. SkyhighCFC said: If you're going that far, then please do prove your point yourself first. Give us a scene where Rika says she never gave up. And no, Hanyû's opinion on this episode doesn't count, it is her opinion.- You're gonna need to prove it if you're gonna make a claim like this. Considering Ryukushi wrote this, you can't just put it down to simple "retcons" and you also can't say "people should just stick to the source material". It's literally his story lol. Whether or not you like where he took the story is a different matter altogether though. It may be his story yes, but consider this. If there's the "OG" story, and then years later a "Sequel" that contradicts with the OG. Does that mean the OG story is wrong and needs to be changed on the "whims" of it's author, or that the author is as they don't even know what they wrote in the first place. ^ not really pointing that much at Higurashi with this, it's more of a hypothetical question to probe out your opinion. Pretty sure when the writer does that, and it ends up effecting the series negatively, their credebility as series creator is lost. If its bad enough it results in 'death of the author'. The best example is Rowling and HP. It is a fascinating thing. 'https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeathOfTheAuthor' I dont think weve ever had a death i the authour in anime/Manga. The closest I can think of is the reaction of many hardcore fans to Rebuild of Evangelion ending. As Harry potter shows, the series can continue on just fine after 'the death of the authour' . I along with many others reject the cursed child as a part of cannon. A series lives on through its fans. If a part is bad and is rejected by the fans. Is it even really cannon anymore? Its fascinating but Ive never come across something like what happened to Harry potter in the anime sphere. The Tsukihime remake is kinda shit though. They really messed it up. Reaction to this might be interesting to see carry foward. |
ChargecoulombSep 10, 2021 4:16 PM
SkyhighCFC said: - In the first episode of Higurashi Kai, there's a scene where Rika offers to give Rena a syringe shot to suppress her going to L5. When Rena declines the offer saying "who would take such a creepy looking syringe" Rika says that "this world is doomed anyway, I'm not interested in this Hinamizawa anymore" and that she'll "go look for the next one". This implies to me that she still had hope and never gave up completely, but she was quicker to give up on specific worlds where certain red flags were raised. This would substantiate what Hanyuu said. Its more like she was just going with the flow imo. She gives up as soon as something goes south, doesnt really try to convince Rena and sprouts off stuff that makes Rena even more paranoid. '...next hinamaizawa' Shes just waiting for fate to give her a world where nothing goes wrong. Which in terms of Higu is never gonna happen... She doesnt believe that she can help or stop anyone, and she doesnt belive that her actions have any tangible effect on fate. This is more or less giving up. She admits that she is helpless and waits for Fate to give her a good world. Pretty sure that the whole Rena Syringe thing is out of Habit. In the VN she states that shes just doing the same thing over and over on autopilot. Of course at the end she realizes that her actions can change Fate for the better, and that they have tangible effects on her future. |
ChargecoulombSep 10, 2021 4:41 PM
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